Mar 17, 2023
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It's rare that I get to speak to anyone with 54 years of experience
but particularly rare when that person is a change leader - one of
the first directors of transformation as far as I can
tell. Rose
Fass founded a company FassForward with Gavin
McMahon McMahon 2 decades ago. We've never spoken but I
got to know Gavin on LinkedIn last year (I was the first person to
tell him about being featured by LinkedIn News - now that's a
regular thing for him).
Rose released a new book called The Leadership Conversation and you
know what image is on the cover? Janus. Remember what my podcast
was originally called?
The Janus Oasis. Even our colour schemes are similar. My main
colour is hot pink but turquoise is the secondary colour.
So even though I almost never interview someone I don't know, I
decided that Rose and I would be able to handle it. I pride myself
on my conversation skills after all. We are both wired to find
common ground - it's fascinating how we were able to find so much
in common in a short conversation.
There’s also a fun sidebar when Rose asks me about my hair. She was
so thrilled with the stories she had to tell her assistant the
story:)
We talk about leadership, politics, reframing conversations. And
stories! Stories galore. Gavin often quotes Jonathan Gottschall: "A
story is a trick for sneaking information into the fortified
citadel of the human mind."
Listen to the end. Rose has fascinating insight into hybrid/remote
strategy and what it's going to take to get resistant senior
leaders on board. I love her specific examples.
The episode was so fun I don’t want to hold it for a week until the
rest are complete.